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# RE: [femm] DXF Import Tricks & Tips (and questions) from a FEMM Newbie

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- Subject: RE: [femm] DXF Import Tricks & Tips (and questions) from a FEMM Newbie
- From: "Jay D. Greener" <jdgreener@earthlink.net>
- Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 15:03:27 -0600
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David, Thank you for the quick reply. The ‘right double click’ trick is great, that’s what I was looking for. You are the alpha-geek, thank you sooooooo much!!! Jay -----Original Message----- From: David Meeker [mailto:dmeeker@foster-miller.com] Sent: Thursday, May 10, 20012:44 PM To: femm@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [femm] DXF Import Tricks & Tips (and questions) from a FEMM Newbie "Jay D. Greener" wrote: Hey Everybody, I just recently started with FEMM and E-mag analysis in general; please forgive any ignorance. I’ve encountered a few problems with importing a .dxf and would like to share them for the new guys and ask for any insight the more experienced users might be able to provide. Problem Background: I’m using SolidWorks2000 to generate an axisymmetric dxf model of a pot core solenoid. Findings: 1.The .DXF seems to import in a random position w.r.t. the FEMM coordinate system – even drawing the model from 0,0 in Solidworks seems to result in (random?) placement in FEMM. The model crashes upon analysis (perhaps because of the undefined region of space between the model axis of symmetry and FEMM’s r=0 axis?). 2.The model scale may or may not import correctly, on occasionthe import scale is 1:1, I’ve also had models import at2x. 3.Hidden dis-jointed lines in the dxf model will result in unexpected results: Occasionally the model won’t mesh, I’ve found that erasing all lines (in FEMM), then re-drawing between the points fixes the problem. 4.Be careful about ‘point imports’. In one model two points were very, very close together, appearing as 1, it allowed a small connection between two regions that I thought were separated – one defined as air, the other defined as iron – the model solved as if the total region were iron! It is (apparently) possible to define 1 region with two different material types.(?) Questions: 1.The FEMM manual specifically say’s “AutoCAD” DXF…is SolidWorks DXF different enough that my problems may be solved by using AutoCAD? 2.Because I can “move” the model in FEMM, the import location isn’t a big deal, but the only way I can find the location of a point (to define ‘translation coordinates’) is to ‘hover’ the mouse pointer over the point. I’m worried that I’m getting some erroneous results by having a ‘sliver’ of undefined space between my model axis of symmetry and FEMM’s r=0. (I’ve seen flux densities of an erratic nature down the model centerline, wonder if it’s because it’s not perfectly aligned at FEMM z=0) 3.I’ve attached 3 .fem files. One contains an example pot-core solenoid model (without an air region outside of the magnetic circuit), an example problem from the Ansys guide (thanks Si Hang). One of my pot core models without a region of air defined around the magnetic circuit and the same model with the region of air. Why do I have to add the region of air to get the flux lines to close in my model, but not in the model provided by Si Hang? 1) Femm could still use a little work on the dxf import filter, but a lot of problems stem from the fact that dxf is really just a drawing format rather than a finite element format. Problems like lines not quite meeting, points almost being coincident, etc, aren't problems for a drawing format, but they are a headache if you are trying to specify a consistent geometry. There's a really good explanation of problems and possible solutions w.r.t. dxf import on the IES website at http://www.integratedsoft.com/demos/2DDXFImport.htm. Although this site is specifically about dxf import issues with IES Magneto, all of the wisdom applies to doing dxf imports in femm as well. 2) Do a right button double-click when the mouse pointer is close to the point you are interested in. The program will then pop up a message box with the exact coordinates, applied property, and group membership of the nearest point. The right button double-click works in other modes to enquire about the location and properties of the nearest object without actually opening it. This is an "undocumented feature" that I really should get around to documenting... Anyhow, if you are worried about trivial displacements from z=0 due to import inaccuracies, you can explicitly define an A=0 boundary condition and apply it to your centerline. This ought to fix things. 3) Hang applied an A=0 boundary condition to all the outer edges of his model. This makes it so that no flux can cross out of your problem domain. In contrast, if you don't apply any boundary condition (like in no-air your model), that's as if you surroundedthe actuator with an infinitely permeable iron. The flux would rather travel in that lower reluctance path outside the solution domain rather than through your actuator. When you add back the air, it puts a high reluctance barrier between your actuator and the "infinitely permeable iron," so the flux again prefers to stay inside your actuator. Dave. `Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.`

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