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Re: Rif: [femm] torque computation



Thanks Giovanni,

i'll try this¡¡



Diego Pérez



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From: femm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Date: viernes, 18 de enero de 2002 15:35:51

To: femm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Subject: Rif: [femm] torque computation





To achieve a better approximation in non-linear harmonic computation I

perform two steps.

1- Run at frequency 0 and verify mur in the main areas (yokes, tooths)

and establish a mean value (generall between 50 and 300),

2- Insert this new mur in material's properties, open small saturated

area (as David suggested) and re-run at your frequency.

If saturation is very different between areas, two or more different

marerials may be used with the same B-H curve, but with different mur.

Anyway it remains an approximation, and only a test can allow you to know

how far your risult is from reality.



bye

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"Diego Perez 

Lara" Per: "David Meeker, Ph.D." <dmeeker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, 

<diego.perez.lar &lt;femm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 

@terra.es> Cc: 

Oggetto: [femm] torque computation 

17/01/2002 20:13 

Per favore, 

rispondere a 

femm 













Dear all, 



I have some problems calculating torque of an induction motor. When i'm
doing a harmonic 

analisys, femm doesn't take into account B-H curve and i put a linear mu,
but i can't 

achieve a valid result. i'm simulating a quarter of the motor but if i rise
up mu, induction 

is huge. Do you have any clue to solve problem? 

i'm calculating torque from stress maxwell's tensor across a centered curve
round the airgap 

with a fine mesh in it. 



Thank you 



Diego Pérez 





















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<DIV>Thanks Giovanni,</DIV>
<DIV>i'll try this¡¡</DIV>
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<DIV>Diego Pérez</DIV>
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<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><BR>To achieve a better approximation in non-linear 
harmonic computation I<BR>perform two steps.<BR>1- Run at frequency 0and 
verify mur in the main areas (yokes, tooths)<BR>and establish a mean value 
(generall between 50 and 300),<BR>2- Insert this new mur in material's 
properties, open small saturated<BR>area (as David suggested) and re-run 
at your frequency.<BR>If saturation is very different between areas, two 
or more different<BR>marerials may be used with the same B-H curve, but 
with different mur.<BR>Anyway it remains an approximation, and only atest 
can allow you to know<BR>how far your risult is from 
reality.<BR><BR>bye<BR>_______________________________<BR>ing. 
G.Bortolan<BR><BR>Sincro srl<BR>via Tezze, 3 loc. Cereda<BR>36073 Cornedo 
Vicentino (VI)<BR>Tel: (++39) 0445 450 500<BR>Fax: (++39) 0445 446 
222<BR>e-mail: <A 
href="mailto:Giovanni.Bortolan@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>Giovanni.Bortolan@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</A><BR><A 
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194515/VI<BR>Reg. Imp. 20968/VI 116<BR>P.IVA 
01925820241<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>"Diego Perez <BR>Lara" Per: "David Meeker, 
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<BR><A href="mailto:@terra.es";>@terra.es</A>&gt; Cc: <BR>Oggetto: [femm] 
torque computation <BR>17/01/2002 20:13 <BR>Per favore, <BR>rispondere a 
<BR>femm <BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>Dear all, <BR><BR>I have some 
problems calculating torque of an induction motor. When i'm doing a 
harmonic <BR>analisys, femm doesn't take into account B-H curve and iput 
a linear mu, but i can't <BR>achieve a valid result. i'm simulating a 
quarter of the motor but if i rise up mu, induction <BR>is huge. Do you 
have any clue to solve problem? <BR>i'm calculating torque from stress 
maxwell's tensor across a centered curve round the airgap <BR>with a fine 
mesh in it. <BR><BR>Thank you <BR><BR>Diego Pérez 
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