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Re: Problem with FEMM



--- In femm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "David Meeker <dcm3c@xxxx>" <dcm3c@xxxx> wrote:

> --- In femm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "zifera <emiliano.menghi@xxxx>"

> <emiliano.menghi@xxxx> wrote:

> > Dear David and Femm users, i've a big problem with Femm and i hope 

> > that you want help me.

> > I use FEMM to computate the shielding effectiveness (low frequency: 

> > 50-60 hetz) of plane aluminium screen (tickness 3 mm, lenght 2 m). 

> > The source is a triphase cable system with simmtric current (500 A). 

> > The distance between the conductor is 25 cm. The position of the 

> > screen is simmetric respect the conductors (the conductors are in 

> > plane) 

> > The problem is that near the screen the magnetic field (calculated 

> > along a line parallel to the sceen) is not simmetric!! For distance 

> > bigger than 50 cm magnetic field return to be simmetric. Why?

> > I've tested the same configuration with a commercial fem (Ansoft) and 

> > the result is equal.

> > Thanks.

> > 

> > Emiliano

> 

> If I understand your geometry correctly, I don't think that the field

> distribution here should be symmetric. Essentially, if you've put

> three-phase conductors in a line on top of a plate, you've made

> yourself a linear induction motor. A wave of flux travels from one

> side of the plate to another, and you can get a funny looking total

> field when you include the reaction field from the plate.

> 

> When viewed from far away, the combined field of the three wires in a

> row begins to look like that of a dipole whose strength varies

> sinusoidally with respect to time. The field then looks a lot more

> regular.

> 

> Dave.





I send you an example of the configuration.

In this case the screen thickness is 3 mm and the lenght is 1 m

You can plot B along the line (-200, -100; 200, -100)

Bye
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